Comments on My Teen Mania Experience: Be Beautiful...but Don't Cause Lust

LOL - the Anonymous comment is hysterical! &quo...

2012-02-01T21:41:24.723-06:00

LOL - the Anonymous comment is hysterical!

"He was NOT saying we had to wear our hair like that!" LOL

I probably would've defended him when I was there, too. Now, almost 10 years later, I find it incredibly humorous.

What is he doing talking about this in the first place? And what is he doing paying attention to teenage girls hairstyles? Maybe we should give him and Ron pictures of how men started doing their hairstyles after the 80's ended???

Anonymous-- An example of what? How to wear your h...

2012-01-31T12:48:56.171-06:00

Anonymous-- An example of what? How to wear your hair? Then the point still stands.

The only thing that would redeem it as an example would be if Hasz used it like this: "Some women want to wear their hair like this. Other people like a plain pony tail, or even short and spiky and dyed blue. It's all good, because God is looking at your heart, not your outward appearance...." I'm guessing that wasn't his sermon, was it.

But Anonymous, here's the point. It is not Dav...

2012-01-31T11:56:07.240-06:00

But Anonymous, here's the point. It is not David Hasz's business to even comment on women's braids or hair. It is kind of creepy if you ask me. Hair styles will not do anything for our salvation or relationship with Christ.

He was simply using the waterfall braid as an exam...

2012-01-31T11:24:40.007-06:00

He was simply using the waterfall braid as an example... He was NOT saying that we had to wear our hair like that!

Is it some weird coincidence that I logged into th...

2012-01-28T08:37:02.265-06:00

Is it some weird coincidence that I logged into the alumni page today and got the message "Your hair looks pretty"!?!? What a strange thing to have as a greeting on any website let alone a ministry one.

A few commenters have already mentioned that beaut...

2012-01-23T23:06:33.490-06:00

A few commenters have already mentioned that beautiful intern women got the most attention from leadership and the best jobs, so I'm just going to come out and say it: every female intern I've known to work in Dave's office has been extremely "conventionally" attractive. Blond, feminine figure, wore make-up, dressed well, etc.

Anyone else notice this?

Fitz - you just nailed it outta the park!!!

2012-01-23T21:36:44.179-06:00

Fitz - you just nailed it outta the park!!!

This is just horrible. I've been sitting on th...

2012-01-23T21:34:51.614-06:00

This is just horrible. I've been sitting on the sentiments behind this and it is so disgusting. The Honor Academy boasts about being a culture separate from 'the world' but if you compare the DH's ideas about women's appearance and the worlds, they are EXACTLY the same in concept. If anything, the HA works as a magnifier for this kind of sexist dribble that is completely pervasive in our society.

The idea that Dave Hasz is sending these girls is that that women, above being people they are decoration, that they owe it to men and other onlookers to maintain a certain standard of decoration, and that their bodies are public property.

It breaks my heart to see a message so destructive coming from leadership that does nothing but claim they are teaching the young women on campus to be Godly, independent women. Prettiness when done as an obligation or penance is 100% divorced from independence.

To the women of the HA who are currently there or have been there and have been affected by this message, there is something you need to know and embrace:

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE PRETTY.
You don't owe prettiness to anyone.
You don't owe prettiness to your boyfriend, spouse or partner.
You don't owe prettiness to your co-workers or your fellow interns.
You don't owe prettiness to your mother, your sisters or your core mates.
You don't owe prettiness to your children.
You don't owe prettiness to civilization or society in general.

PRETTINESS IS NOT A FEE YOU PAY FOR OCCUPYING SPACE WHILE FEMALE.

Prettiness, if you choose to look pretty, is for you. Because prettiness can be rewarding, pleasant and fun. Prettiness can make you and people around you happy, and making yourself and others happy is feels nice and is often satisfying! But NEVER is your obligation to make other people happy at the expense of your body. Your body is for you and God.

DH seems like a nasty old man with teaching like t...

2012-01-20T14:00:48.214-06:00

DH seems like a nasty old man with teaching like this. Talking about short man syndrome.

And with statements like, "we have to look at you everyday," makes me very uncomfortable being I don't want DH to "look" at me.

I had to look at his Nazi haircut for a year which wasn't appealing at all but I didn't copy&paste any ideas for him and preach it from a self proclaimed pulpit. Come on.

Beth, You are so right about this part especially...

2012-01-20T13:54:00.152-06:00

Beth, You are so right about this part especially,

"In retrospect most from our class would remember this girl AND the fact that the women who had nice clothes, wore makeup and were particularly girlie were favored the most by ALL leadership and received the choicest jobs. Beth McComber"

Beth, that is horrible. I would say that Dave was...

2012-01-20T13:09:02.493-06:00

Beth, that is horrible. I would say that Dave was being creepy and would question whether he was trying to oogle that poor girl.

There was a Intern my year (Movers: Aug. '96&#...

2012-01-20T11:18:16.132-06:00

There was a Intern my year (Movers: Aug. '96'97) who Dave verbally extolled in front of the whole class time and again. She truly was a beautiful young woman but she would style her long hair and wear make-up, and perfume and dress femininely. She could ALSO teach the guys a thing or two about chainsaws, tractors, back-hoes, etc. (as she grew up on the farm.) Dave would continually proclaim that SHE was a model of femininity AS WELL AS an example of what a good wife might look like: feminine, uncomplaining, hard working, able to keep up with the boys. Most of the men of our class had secret crushes on her. I remember one time, the class was having a work day (after church or something like that) and she was dressed very nice, in a dress, etc. Dave said they needed her help with a piece of equipment that was stuck or tricky to drive with its current load and she jumps up on that piece of equipment in her "church outfit" and she takes charge of that situation and then the project. Dave and ALL the guys just watch her, mouths agape. Then Dave proceeds to "teach" the class - Look here X girl is able to just take care of this situation, while wearing her nice clothes........." In retrospect most from our class would remember this girl AND the fact that the women who had nice clothes, wore makeup and were particularly girlie were favored the most by ALL leadership and received the choicest jobs. Beth McComber

I can't even wrap my brain around this one.

2012-01-20T09:50:16.291-06:00

I can't even wrap my brain around this one.

On top of it all we were just kids! This is all A ...

2012-01-20T09:19:50.000-06:00

On top of it all we were just kids! This is all A LOT of pressure to put on a bunch of 18 year olds. At that age everyone is naturally beautiful anyways. You don't need make-up or cool hair! Maybe when your boobs start sagging and you start balding (a lot... And your hair is graying) then you might need to spice things up. But 18?! Come on. Dave is such a pervert!
I'm genuinely curious if guys think they received quality teaching on how to be a man. Because there is just no way Dave treats them any different then the way he treated the women. He's a control freak and a manipulater.

This IS sick- but do you think men are exploited? ...

2012-01-20T09:13:36.100-06:00

This IS sick- but do you think men are exploited? They were kinda treated like dogs I think. (they were expected to be these perfect prince charmings and i imagine girls probably acted like they were a plague anytime they came around.)
But I guess I never really thought about it. Obviously they couldn't have had the best internship ever. I just don't know what it is they were taught.

Ladies, fix you hair and wear makeup everyday so y...

2012-01-19T23:43:37.271-06:00

Ladies, fix you hair and wear makeup everyday so you don't grow up fat and bald like Heath Stoner

(Bangs head against wall)

2012-01-19T23:38:42.108-06:00

(Bangs head against wall)

Also, when will the men start doing make up and fi...

2012-01-19T14:45:03.822-06:00

Also, when will the men start doing make up and fixing their hair in elaborate ways every day for work? When will they be required not to just follow the dress code, but also dress in a style approved by the leadership. You know, because we all have to look at them every day.

Two things come to mind reading this. First off, ...

2012-01-19T14:42:53.002-06:00

Two things come to mind reading this. First off, everyone who was so insistent that TM doesn't practice any mind control should consider how weird it is that Dave, who is not a woman, is telling women how to do their hair and no one at the internship finds that the least bit bizarre. Can you imagine any other arena in life where a man in authority would be instructing young women to do their hair in the way he prefers and no one spoke up or called him out on it? Secondly, this is a great example of how the lines are always blurred there about what God wants and what Dave/Ron/Heath/and other leader want. If it comes out of a leader's mouth, there's an assumption that it's what God wants you to do. An assumption the leadership doesn't try very hard to dispel.

Wow.

2012-01-19T13:44:35.821-06:00

Wow.

This is definitely a little creepy for an older gu...

2012-01-19T11:06:43.263-06:00

This is definitely a little creepy for an older guy to be telling his staff and intern women on what kind of hair style they should be wearing. This is not appropriate behavior at all.

I remember specifically noting my year how Dave Ha...

2012-01-19T10:08:32.357-06:00

I remember specifically noting my year how Dave Hasz seemed to favor the girls who put a little more effort into their appearance. Weird. He even commented one day when a group of us walked by and were dressed up for a day in Dallas. Wish I could remember what he said!

On another note, I remember a another intern our year who took it upon herself to take one of my roomates under her wing to try to 'help' her with her style. Ay yi. yi. That always made me a bit uneasy. She was like her 'project'.

Is anyone else thinking that this stuff could be g...

2012-01-19T08:55:37.575-06:00

Is anyone else thinking that this stuff could be grounds for a sexual harrassment lawsuit? I think the intern who decides to do it could be seriously rich.

Will tomorrow's teaching be Why The Pump is a ...

2012-01-19T08:25:11.424-06:00

Will tomorrow's teaching be Why The Pump is a More Godly Heel than the Slingback?

I always thought those older intern girls on my GE...

2012-01-18T12:32:27.162-06:00

I always thought those older intern girls on my GE trips who were constantly giving me make-up advice were just playing the older sister part. Makes me wonder now where their intentions were.